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Katie: Hey, and welcome to “The Wellness Mama Podcast.” I’m Katie from tmp.wellnessmama.com and wellnesse.com. That’s wellness with an E on the tip, my new line of hair care, toothpaste, and different private care merchandise. Verify these out at wellnesse.com. This episode is all about reversing limiting beliefs, concepts like, I’m not adequate, I’m not sufficient. I’m not lovable. I’m right here with Marissa Peer, who’s the creator of the award-winning Fast Transformational Remedy, which is a extremely fascinating and I discover a novel sort of remedy that works actually, actually rapidly in lots of instances. She’s additionally the founding father of Iamenough.com. She has a number of best-selling books and she or he is a speaker and knowledgeable that speaks all world wide. And the explanation I wished to have her on at this time is to essentially go deep on a few of these therapies she does with individuals, each from the attitude of how we as adults can form of rewire and undo a few of these limiting beliefs that stem from childhood but in addition to raised perceive the core wants of kids, what number of of those issues stem from issues in childhood when children don’t really feel protected or liked or vital for varied causes, and the way we as dad and mom may also help to hopefully guard our kids towards a few of these pitfalls. Definitely, none of us are gonna do it completely however she provides some actually sensible recommendation each in how we as adults can let go of a few of these limiting beliefs typically far more rapidly than we expect and likewise how we are able to set our children up with a powerful basis going into maturity. So, a really fascinating episode. I discovered lots. I took notes. You really would possibly hear me take a second to reply a few instances on this episode. And it’s as a result of I used to be writing down notes. And all of my notes and the entire issues she talked about are within the present notes at wellnessmama.fm. So we’ll undoubtedly begin there when you wanna continue learning from her. However with out additional ado, I can not wait to share her with you. So let’s bounce in. Marisa, welcome. Thanks for being right here.
Marisa: Thanks for inviting me. I’m flattered and honored to be right here.
Katie: I’m so excited to share you with everybody listening at this time as a result of I believe you’ve gotten a lot worth that you simply carry, and particularly for all the ladies listening, simply so, so many phrases of knowledge. However to begin off, I’d love to listen to, for anybody who isn’t conversant in you already, just a bit little bit of your story and the way you got here to be who you are actually and to do all this work that you simply’re doing.
Marisa: Effectively, my story is I all the time wished to be a toddler psychologist however I discovered that very painful, not as a lot painful, a job the place you couldn’t actually get the outcomes you wished. And I’ve all the time been fascinated my total life by human conduct. And so I left coaching in little one psychology and went to work in L.A. for Jane Fonda educating aerobics. And that received me actually eager about psychology of consuming issues, which led on to me fascinated by infertility. And so every thing I’ve finished has led on from one thing else. However I didn’t plan this profession, however I actually discovered it and I’m very glad I did.
Katie: And I’ve learn fairly a little bit of your work and you’ve got a number of books out. I’ll be sure we hyperlink to all of these. However I like the work that you simply do, particularly surrounding limiting beliefs. And that’s been one thing that basically has been useful and resonated with me. So, for anybody who’s not acquainted, are you able to clarify to us in a excessive degree what limiting beliefs are?
Marisa: Sure, I imply, you realize, all of us believed that our emotions are dominated by our behaviors, nevertheless it’s really the opposite approach round, our behaviors are dominated by our emotions. So, when you’re wanting on the regulation of management, our ideas management our emotions, our emotions management our actions and our actions management our occasions. So when you peel that again, occasions, actions, emotions, all of it begins with considering. And it’s very straightforward to alter your considering. As an illustration, think about you’re a binge eater, and also you attempt to management that by going to the fitness center or placing your self in a extremely restrictive food regimen or taking urge for food suppressants, what you’re doing is coping with the conduct nevertheless it’s the thought that runs it’s I’m not sufficient and I want extra. Certainly with any habit, when you’re hooked on alcohol and also you deal with the alcoholism however not the underlying feeling, which is I’m simply not adequate.
And so, when you may change your considering, it actually can and does change your total life. And that’s superb information for a lot of causes. One, in fact, is that altering your considering is free. It’s fairly straightforward. It doesn’t require onerous work. It’s not like altering your physique and having to do 600 sit-ups and the plank daily. And when you begin to do it, it stops being what you do and truly turns into who you’re. So it turns into a extremely highly effective device to begin dwelling the life you need with out it being effort, and onerous work, and disappointments. It doesn’t imply you don’t need to work for what you need nevertheless it means it’s simpler once you go at that understanding and believing that you simply’re worthy of it and deserving of it.
Katie: Yeah, I consider an instance from my very own life was that for lots of years, I had this script in my head that I used to be attempting to drop extra pounds, and if solely I misplaced weight then I’d be blissful or then I’d love myself. And what I ended up realizing in my very own journey was that I may select to alter that perception, and to like myself, and to decide on happiness in that second. After which it really grew to become a lot simpler to do the entire issues that led to weight reduction as a result of I wasn’t combating myself anymore. However I believe typically for anybody struggling, you talked about some massive issues, you realize, consuming issues or alcoholism, issues which can be very critical points, there typically is that notion that it’s going to be very onerous or that it needs to be very, very tough or an uphill battle or a tough course of. And I like that about your work since you actually have this message that these shifts, such as you mentioned, there’s nonetheless work concerned, however they don’t need to be this actually, actually tough factor that we frequently make them out to be. However I’m curious what are a few of these frequent limiting beliefs that individuals run into? I do know that you’ve lots of work across the concept of I’m not sufficient and that appears to be an extremely frequent one.
Marisa: Yeah, it’s the most typical one. I’d say that at the least a 3rd, if not 50% of all my purchasers are available with that perception, “I’m not sufficient. I’m not adequate. I’m not lovable sufficient. I’m not good sufficient. I’m not attention-grabbing sufficient. I’m unfit sufficient.” And that lies behind issues like hoarding, compulsive buying, addictions, harmful consuming, even having wealth blocks and love blocks, you realize, self-sabotaging your self all originate within the feeling of not being sufficient. The great factor is, it’s very, very straightforward to alter it as a result of it’s not true. No child is born considering they’re not sufficient. We will decide that perception up very, very quick however we are able to additionally eliminate it very quick.
Katie: So, stroll us by way of that somewhat bit. Like, what are a few of the ways in which individuals can start to…? I do know that you’ve applications particularly for all of this and I’ll be sure we hyperlink to these. However I really feel like after I first heard about this, I used to be somewhat bit in disbelief of, like, can it really be that straightforward? Like, it looks like it ought to be onerous.
Marisa: Yeah, that’s so attention-grabbing as a result of that’s such a false impression I come up towards on a regular basis. Like, medical doctors will say, “Effectively, this individual’s received anorexia. That’s a really complicated sickness, subsequently the remedy is complicated. This consumer has bipolar despair, that’s so complicated that the remedy should be complicated.” I’ve met individuals who say, you realize, bulimics want 40 periods to get higher. However I’ve by no means believed that. However I imagine that the many people are presenting drawback, I’ve despair, I’ve anxiousness, I’ve panic assaults, I’ve an consuming dysfunction, they’re complicated. However the remedy doesn’t must be complicated if and when you’ll find what causes the issue and deal with that.
If you’re treating the issue itself, I’m attempting to deal with an consuming dysfunction, or a compulsion, or an habit, however all I’m treating is the conduct, then that may take a very long time. But when I deal with the origin of the conduct, if I’m going again to the not-enoughness and deal with that, it’s a unique sport. I imply, lately, you realize, I can’t imagine I’ve been denying myself love for years and years and years due to a thought. My ideas have allowed me to disclaim myself love. And I did all this stuff. I misplaced weight. I received somewhat little bit of tweaking right here and there. I had a makeover. I joined a relationship company, I joined a relationship app, and none of it labored. However after I determined I used to be lovable, I discovered somebody on the street simply strolling to the bus cease.
As a result of that’s the factor, you must deal with the supply of the ache. A bit such as you going to the physician and saying, “I’ve complications.” And he would possibly say, “Effectively, you realize, your complications are triggered as a result of your posture in your again is incorrect.” So now we all know that the supply of the ache just isn’t the supply of the issue. And when you mentioned, “Yeah, I do know that however I solely wanna take headache tablets. You’ll be able to maintain telling me my backbone is incorrect and my hip’s incorrect however I insist on taking headache tablets for spinal issues,” we expect, “Effectively, that’s loopy.”
But it surely’s very a lot the identical factor. The supply of your points is often not-enoughness, I really feel insufficient, I don’t really feel adequate, and you should deal with that. And once you deal with that, you repair all the opposite issues concurrently. And that’s why it’s straightforward since you’re treating the supply and the foundation of an issue slightly than the issue itself. And in treating the supply and the foundation, you deal with all of the offshoots too.
Katie: And it looks like a lot of this…You talked about…I like that line that…I’ve learn that in your writing earlier than too that new child infants aren’t born with the concept they’re not sufficient. So that is clearly a discovered factor. Do you discover that every one or nearly all of this stuff return to some extent in childhood for most individuals?
Marisa: Virtually everyone goes again to childhood. I imply, lots of scientific and medical research say that our character is ready by the point we’re 5, some individuals say 7. I imply the Catholics say, “Give me a boy till he’s 5 and I’ll provide the man.” And I believe Roman mentioned till 7, some will say till 3. However we all know…you realize, eminent little one psychologists know that our childhood shapes our maturity. And so, as an example, when you have been to go to Romania and undertake somewhat 3-year-old little one and produce them again to Florida, and love them, and love them, and love them, that doesn’t imply they’ll get higher as a result of a lot harm is finished in our youth.
And the largest drawback in our youth is that after we’re little, we don’t have that many wants. I must really feel protected, that’s vital. I must really feel liked. I must really feel I matter so that you’ll deal with me. In order somewhat child, we solely have a couple of wants. Protected, liked, vital, vital. And when these wants should not met, what occurs is we don’t blame the dad and mom. We blame ourselves. The kid by no means stops loving dad and mom, they cease loving themselves. Effectively, “My wants not getting met, I suppose I’m unfit of it.” They usually’ll by no means get met. And now that little one turns into an grownup who nonetheless has this perception, “Nobody’s gonna meet my wants. I’m not lovable, I’m not adequate, I’m unfit sufficient.”
And that’s the horrible unhappiness as a result of each child is worthy of affection. No child says, “I gained’t cry as a result of nobody’s coming. I gained’t demand to be fed as a result of I’m grasping. I gained’t count on my dad and mom to play with me as a result of they’re exhausted.” A child has a perception, “I’m worthy of all of this.” And it’s unhappy that we expect we’ve misplaced it, however we haven’t misplaced it, we’ve simply forgotten we ever had it. And so you will get all of that again and really simply too.
Katie: Yeah, I’ve learn a quote just like that lately that utterly stopped me in my tracks. And it mentioned, you realize, “If you criticize your youngsters, they don’t cease loving you, they cease loving themselves.” And that basically made me assume lots. And, form of, to your level of all of this stuff, going again to childhood, and after I’ve learn your work, I’ve been capable of see a few of these patterns in my very own life. And I really feel like from right here, there’s form of a two-part query. Lots of the adults listening most likely are recognizing a few of these limiting beliefs or that, form of, core feeling of not feeling lovable or not feeling sufficient.
But in addition, the vast majority of the individuals listening are dad and mom. And so I all the time assume after I hear issues like this, like, what can I do as a mother to assist my children have the very best basis and the very best mindset going into maturity? Definitely, I believe all mothers, we do our greatest, and nonetheless, our children are gonna most likely have issues they need to work by way of. None of us are gonna do it completely. However what can we do to provide them the very best basis?
Marisa: Effectively, you realize, all youngsters ever want…I want I’d recognized this after I was a mum or dad, I didn’t, I discovered it out later. However what youngsters want is so that you can be current with them. That’s all they need, you to be current with them. They don’t actually need stuff. I imply, I’m not speaking about 15-year-old children who need the newest Gameboy and the newest Nikes. However little youngsters need you to be current. And when you ask youngsters what their blissful zone is…For me, my dad and mom had a home within the South of France, we went each summer time. However my happiest reminiscence, with out query, was selecting berries with my grandmother, making do-it-yourself jam, or going to, like, what we used to name a “jumble,” I don’t know what we name them in America, and shopping for a stack of magazines, and going to, I suppose it’s equal of like a automobile boot sale.
So, youngsters’s reminiscences are all the time like enjoying puzzles, cooking collectively. It’s probably not about doing stuff that prices some huge cash. So being current with them is significant in elevating their shallowness. As a mum or dad, your little one’s shallowness is a mark of how profitable you’re or not. And that may be very tough when children go to high school, and they’re judged on what grade they’re in, and what they appear like. And it’s very, very tough as a mum or dad to get it proper however an important factor is to make your children imagine in themselves, to lift them with wholesome, excessive shallowness.
Katie: After which for the dad and mom, I imply like I mentioned, I’ve acknowledged a few of these issues in myself, and these have been issues I’ve labored by way of in my very own life. And positively, I believe lots of the issues that you simply work with individuals on are so well timed and related proper now. And these limiting beliefs can influence our grownup life in so many alternative methods. You’ve got one thing referred to as Fast Transformational Remedy. Are you able to discuss that somewhat bit at a excessive degree?
After which I’d like to go somewhat bit particular on that as effectively. As a result of to circle again once more, and simply actually highlighting that concept, I believe for years, I made the method tougher on myself than I wanted to as a result of I anticipated it to be onerous. I assumed it needed to be onerous for it to work. And as soon as I lastly realized that wasn’t the case, it was superb how quickly issues shifted. However stroll us by way of how you’re employed with individuals in remedy so individuals can, form of, perceive simply how drastically and rapidly issues can shift.
Marisa: Yeah. Effectively, lots of people imagine that…I imply, I’ve been informed by many different individuals, the phrases fast and remedy mustn’t go collectively, that remedy isn’t fast, certainly, it’s lengthy and painful with out even any assure of a decision on the finish. However there’s no different remedy mannequin that claims, “Carry me your ache and we’ll focus on it.” No dentist says “Sure, you’ve received a really unhealthy cavity. Come alongside and we’ll have a dialog with you each week, and once you belief me sufficient, we’ll begin to do some work.” No heart specialist, no dermatologist says, “We have to focus on your coronary heart drawback or your pores and skin drawback each week and possibly after a while, you would possibly really feel higher.”
Remedy is the one mannequin that claims, “Flip up together with your ache, and we’ll focus on it, and we’ll construct a relationship round our dialogue, after which after we construct a relationship collectively, we’d simply have the ability to crack by way of your ache and assist you to or assist you to reside with it.” And that’s not a therapist’s fault nevertheless it’s such a wierd mannequin to supply individuals as a result of when you carry your ache to anybody else, a chiropractor, a physician, a dentist, they have an inclination to repair the ache as quick as they probably…And nobody says in ER, “I must develop a relationship with a surgeon earlier than they function on me.” That usually we by no means even meet them as a result of we’re anesthetized by then.
And so, I wished to create…I imply, I had the identical mannequin, which is carry me your ache and let me repair it for you as quick as I probably can. And when you can take part within the fixing, even higher. So individuals come to me with each form of ache you may think about, from bodily ache, from migraines, or irritable bowel, or polycystic ovary syndrome, or fibromyalgia. So we have now actual bodily pains. And practically 70% of illnesses now are identified as psychosomatic, which suggests the headache is totally actual, the nerve ache is actual, however what’s inflicting them just isn’t damaged components of your physique, however damaged components of your considering. And that’s very straightforward to repair.
After which we have now emotional issues, which don’t have the identical bodily pains, however they produce other points. I really feel depressed, I really feel unhappy, I’ve panic assaults. I’ve self-sabotaging conduct. I’m self-destructive. I don’t have love. And really a lot the identical factor, whether or not you’re in emotional ache or bodily ache, you shouldn’t have to attend any time in any respect to get higher. It ought to begin to occur instantly. So RTT instantly begins to take a look at why. So, after we prepare individuals, we are saying, “Look, your first job is to be a detective. Put in your detective hat and discover out when did this occur? What was occurring? Why did this consumer all of a sudden turn out to be morbidly overweight? Why did this consumer go from straight-A pupil to failing? Why did this consumer all of a sudden get panic assaults?”
So we’re gathering info like a detective, discovering out why. And many purchasers say, “Effectively, you realize, after I discovered why, it’s as a result of my dad left after I was a child. As a result of my mom cried all through the being pregnant. I had no concept that I blamed myself for that.” And the minute they discover out why, they really feel so a lot better. After which the second a part of the session is transferring from being a detective to nearly like a dentist and eradicating poisonous matter, poisonous beliefs, poisonous ideas, poisonous choices individuals have made, eliminating them and changing them with one thing higher. After which the third and remaining half is being a coder. And simply as a coder wires into a pc higher software program to make it operate higher, we wire into our purchasers a lot better software program to make them imagine in themselves to reactivate the boldness they have been born with however they forgot they ever had.
And in addition, it’s recorded, the one which’s terribly vital is a consumer is given a recording that’s private, it’s not a generic leisure. It’s made within the session. It’s a recording made for them. The coding bit is recorded. The consumer takes that dwelling. They play it for 20 days as a result of RTT is predicated on the foundations of the thoughts. And the foundations of the thoughts say the thoughts learns by repetition. The foundations of the thoughts say each thought you assume is the blueprint that your thoughts and physique work to make actual, that the strongest pressure in you is that you simply act in a approach that matches the best way you outline your self. And that emotion is far more highly effective than logic. So I’ve put all these guidelines of the thoughts collectively to type a remedy primarily based round our personal thoughts guidelines that make our thoughts settle for new beliefs whereas letting go of outdated ones fairly quickly, very quickly, really.
Katie: So to observe up on these three factors, which I like that it’s that clear lower, so, you mentioned the primary half is attempting to determine why or the place that comes from. And for example, I do know for me, I went again to a number of instances in childhood the place I had made a mistake or dropped one thing and form of gotten yelled at by my mother and had internalized that I wasn’t adequate or that I used to be all the time making errors or no matter it was. And even simply having the ability to acknowledge that that’s the place it got here from and reframe it now understanding additionally a mother’s perspective and notice that seemingly had nothing to do with me, it was possibly she was having a nasty day or she was wired, and I may completely perceive that now after I was ready to take a look at it in a different way. However do you discover even simply individuals having the ability to pinpoint and know that why is a giant step?
Marisa: It’s an enormous step as a result of once you’re little, you realize, right here’s the reality for any little one, once you’re somewhat child, you realize one factor, in case your dad and mom such as you, you’ll survive. It doesn’t matter when you’re a child kitten, a child pet, or a child human, we perceive innately that if my dad and mom love me, I’m gonna make it. And so when our dad and mom get indignant with us and shout at us and scream at us as a result of they’re having their very own points, we all the time assume it’s our fault as a result of we should idealize the those that we imagine our survival is dependent upon.
So when mother screams at you, dad flounces off, dad leaves mother, no matter is happening, a toddler can’t work out, “Oh, you see, my dad’s an alcoholic. My mother’s received despair. My dad and mom ought to by no means have by no means gotten married.” All a toddler can assume is, “Oh, they don’t love me as a result of I’m not sufficient.” As a result of it’s safer guilty your self than guilty the individual that your survival is dependent upon. In order that makes good sense. The issue is that we by no means get to a stage the place we expect, “Oh, proper, let me return now and reset that as a result of I all the time thought it was my fault my mother was sad. Now I perceive my mother made very unhealthy decisions. She was a little bit of a sufferer and it wasn’t my fault.”
We don’t have a reset button to press so we undergo life believing what it should be. If my mother was sad and she or he didn’t love me, who’s gonna love me? , I noticed that with Princess Diana lots as a result of her personal mom left when she was little and didn’t come again. She all the time believed, “Effectively, if she didn’t love me, who may love me?” That was very a lot the identical factor with Marilyn Monroe. You see when you have a look at Whitney Houston, or Amy Winehouse, or Heath Ledger, and even Michael Jackson, or George Michael, every time the kid has to carry out to get the mum or dad’s reward, or has to realize, has to work for love, they may imagine, “Oh, no, I don’t get love. I’ve to work actually onerous to earn it, and at any time it is going to be taken away,” and so they typically go into self-sabotage due to this perception, “I’m not lovable the best way I’m. I’m lovable if I look good, act good, produce one thing good.”
Katie: Wow. That makes a lot sense. So, how can we, as dad and mom, assist children to not internalize that or to not really feel like they’re unfit of affection? As a result of actually there are occasions there’s going to be individuals who have separations or divorce or who undergo robust instances and their children are gonna need to undergo these issues too. Are there methods to assist children?
Marisa: Yeah. Good query. That is so good for folks. So the very best factor is to personal it. , all dad and mom, actually me, I imply, I tousled many, many instances. , I used to be a single mum or dad with my very own points, in fact, I shouted at my little one and mentioned issues I ought to by no means have mentioned that I’ll all the time remorse. But it surely’s very onerous to be an ideal mum or dad. All you are able to do together with your children is exit and say, “ what, darling? Mommy was not very good at this time. Mommy loves you. Mommy’s…That was not your fault. At present mommy was cranky. At present mommy had lots of worries and I shouldn’t have made you the butt of that.” They usually do perceive that. I used to say to my little lady, “, darling, at this time mommy had her interval and she or he was a bit ratty.” And someday she mentioned, “Mommy, I believe my trainer had her interval at this time as a result of she was not very sort.”
So she had all of it labored out in her head as a result of I’d all the time apologize, “That was my fault. I shouldn’t have finished that. I shouldn’t have reacted like that.” I could have…She mentioned to me, she goes “Mommy, it doesn’t really feel such as you love me once you converse to me in that nasty voice.” As a result of I used to be saying, “Come on, hurry. I like you however you’ve gotta hurry up.” They usually’re not foolish youngsters however they don’t count on you to be good, they simply count on you to not put it on them to say, “That was my fault. , I’ve no proper to shout at you as we’re operating by way of the airport or operating for the bus, or every thing went incorrect, I dropped the dinner, or I burned it, I smashed one thing, I shouldn’t flip round and scream at you as a result of that wasn’t your fault. And even when it was, you realize, you’re only a child when you broke one thing.” I imply, they do this. They get nail varnish in your carpet and do every kind of belongings you choose them to not do.
However so long as you may personal it and say, “I didn’t deal with it very effectively at this time. I’m actually sorry,” they like that as a result of it permits them to grasp that different individuals gained’t deal with it. The trainer could have a nasty day, the pal…And, in fact, children take it out on one another too. They’re not averse to some child picks up their toy truck, smacking them across the head with it. In order that they do perceive that it isn’t all good Pollyanna. However apologizing to your little one, proudly owning and saying, “You didn’t deserve that. I used to be out of line. I shouldn’t have finished that,” that makes them cease blaming themselves, which is the large factor you wish to wire into youngsters. That was my fault.
You see, even youngsters who get abused, that’s the heartbreaking factor, most pedophiles say to a toddler, “You wished that. , once you have been operating round in your bikini or sashaying round in your nightie,” otherwise you’re so fairly, otherwise you’re so cute, you wished that.” They usually don’t perceive how one can say, “No, I didn’t,” as a result of it’s very straightforward to make a toddler imagine it’s their fault. And so you must give your children to go, “No, it’s not my fault. I didn’t trigger that. I’m to not blame.” And in addition, when you may go to your little one and say, “, at this time, daddy was actually out of line and I behaved like a toddler. I misplaced my mood. I used to be a toddler. You have been smarter than me at this time.” What that does is it permits them to go and say, “Mommy, I misplaced it, I acted out. I did one thing actually incorrect at this time,” since you’ve allowed them to see that they don’t need to be good and also you’re not, then they’ll come to you and say…
My daughter got here dwelling someday when she’s about 13 and mentioned, “Mommy, I spoke terribly to my pal’s brother. He stole all these baseball hats in a store and he gave me one and I didn’t need it. I didn’t know what to do.” And I say, “Effectively, that’s good that you simply informed me.” And I’d all the time say, “You’ll by no means get punished for telling the reality ever, even when you do one thing actually incorrect.” And I mentioned, “ that feeling in your tummy, that’s a sense that it’s not good and also you simply need to say to him, “No, thanks.”
Or, you realize, if he’s 15, you’re 11, and you’re feeling embarrassed, then, you realize, once you get dwelling, you probably did the suitable factor, you mentioned to mother, “I don’t need this baseball hat. I felt actually unhealthy accepting it.” So the extra you may enable them to see that they don’t need to be good comes from you proudly owning your errors and never attempting to be good. And the worst factor is when dad and mom say, “Don’t you reply again. Don’t you’ve gotten an opinion. Don’t shout. Don’t cry. I’ll offer you one thing to cry about.” That’s very complicated for a kid. You get indignant after they’re indignant. They usually get punished for being indignant, however you’re allowed to be indignant. In order that’s actually complicated for them. And allow them to have an opinion as a result of after they get to 14 or 15, you realize, you need your children to have the ability to have an opinion towards a bully or someone who’s gonna pressurize them to have intercourse or drink or smoke. However when you by no means allow them to have an opinion with you, then how are they ever going to do this? You’re the primary individual they’re going to be taught to debate and argue with.
Katie: That’s such a fantastic level. It’s one I’ve undoubtedly not finished completely, however I’ve tried to do. My oldest is now 14. And even from the time he was little, I’d encourage them to ask questions. And I bear in mind when he was actually little, possibly like 3, I mentioned, “, all the time ask questions when you’re curious. And when you don’t perceive one thing or one thing doesn’t make sense, all the time query it.” And he mentioned, “Even you?” And I mentioned, “Even and particularly me as a result of I’m right here that can assist you be taught.” However I believe you’re proper, so typically that will get suppressed with children. And it’s been superb to look at him now, largely, despite the fact that he’s 14, like an grownup at this level, and the way accountable he’s and to see our relationship shift. And like I mentioned, I don’t assume I’ve finished it completely by any means however that’s one thing I’m glad I did from a really younger age with them.
And one other factor I’ve tried to all the time say to them daily, I’ve six children, so I say it lots however that, “I like you unconditionally. There’s nothing you may ever do to cut back that and there’s nothing you may ever do or must do to extend that both.” As a result of I really feel like I didn’t get that second half very a lot as a child. I knew that my dad and mom liked me however I all the time felt like I needed to earn approval or that it was tied to my achievements. And I wished to, hopefully, assist my children know that they by no means needed to earn that, that it will all the time be there.
Marisa: And it’s such a wonderful factor as a result of, you realize, so many adults have this perception, I must earn love. I must work for love. I must chase love. I must be actually good. I must have issues snipped off or injected in and I must, you realize, add stuff to myself. And that simply isn’t true. Love is simply there and also you don’t need to earn it, work for it, or run after it. And so saying to a toddler, “, I like you and also you don’t ever need to earn my love and there’s nothing you can do to make me love you extra and there’s nothing you are able to do to make me love you much less. In case you mess up, you realize, I gained’t be happy however I’ll be there.”
As a result of, you realize, some dad and mom say to their children, “In case you get pregnant, don’t ever come dwelling. In case you take medicine, you’re out of this home.” They usually say it to scare them however think about in case your little one of 14 takes medicine and feels they’ll by no means come dwelling, then the place do you assume they’re going to go? It’s a lot better so that you can say, “I don’t need you to take medicine, I don’t need you to get pregnant, however no matter is happening, you’ll by no means get punished for telling the reality.” And I bear in mind my little lady when she was little mentioned, “Mommy, I’ve received inexperienced nail varnish everywhere in the carpet and I do know you gained’t punish me as a result of I simply informed you the reality.” And I mentioned, “Effectively, I’m very upset you probably did that, however I gained’t.” And she or he mentioned, “Mommy, it’s such a reduction. I’ve been so scared to let you know.” However I knew in that second it was a check. Ought to I get actually indignant or shall I do…?
I gave her my phrase, you’ll by no means be punished for telling the reality. And, you realize, all children do loopy issues. And you’ll’t all the time cease them, however you will be there to mop them up. And, you realize, I had my daughter’s associates turning up at my home, having been thrown out of their very own home as a result of their mom discovered contraception of their bag or in a single case the morning after capsule. And you must be a protected place in your youngsters after they’re going by way of tough instances as a result of the very last thing you need is them to go to another person’s home as a result of they’ll’t discuss to you.
Katie: Yeah, that’s such level. We’ve form of turn out to be that place for lots of my children’ associates as effectively and I’m so grateful to be that place. I’d all the time mentioned after they have been younger, I hope to be the place the place all the children really feel comfy coming to hang around and that in addition they really feel like they’ll discuss to me. But it surely does make me unhappy as effectively when children will discuss to me, however not their very own dad and mom. And I all the time attempt to encourage them to open the strains of communication with their dad and mom.
Marisa: After all. And so a lot of them are simply so petrified of being judged. I imply, you realize, I work with infertility lots and I all the time take individuals again to why they’ll’t conceive. And also you’d be amazed at what number of ladies return to this traditional scene, “I’m 15 or 14 and I believe I’m pregnant. My dad will completely kill me. My dad and mom shall be livid. They’ll disown me. They’ll kick me out of the home or they’ll be so upset I’ve allow them to down.” And that doubt they’ve with themselves, “That is the worst factor ever, this can be a nightmare, this can be a catastrophe, that is disgrace,” that feeling of horror they really feel considering they’re pregnant turns into the primary block. The thoughts says, “Oh, you don’t wanna have a child.” And 15 years later, after they’re fortunately married to some nice man, the thoughts remains to be appearing off this outdated perception it will be a nightmare, a catastrophe, the worst factor ever to have a child.
As a result of the thoughts is all the time listening. Each phrase you say is picked up by the thoughts. And unexplained infertility is an interesting factor as a result of it’s unexplainable. Explainable infertility means, effectively, your fallopian tubes are blocked. You haven’t received any eggs, your womb lining is simply too skinny, your husband’s sperm swims backwards and there’s not a lot of it. However unexplained means every thing is ideal however you’ve gotten some blocking perception. And it all the time typically begins on the first ideas you’ve gotten about having a child. Having a child after we’re youngsters or we’re not married and even past that, “Oh, this boy is gonna reject me now. He’ll assume I’ve trapped him. It’s a way of disgrace. I don’t need this presently in my life.” As a result of the thoughts is all the time listening and the phrases we type, a blueprint that we react to fifteen years after the occasion has come and gone.
Katie: Wow. That’s actually drastic. And okay, so that you mentioned the second step is that you simply take away these ache factors otherwise you take away these blocks. Are you able to stroll us by way of only a excessive degree of how that occurs or the way you do this?
Marisa: Yeah. So, I’ll offer you an excellent instance, I used to be fascinated by a selected consumer. So I had a selected consumer, who’s an Arabic lady, very good, got here from a really spiritual household, the place the daddy’s phrase was every thing. And she or he was relationship a white boy and thought she was pregnant. And naturally, her dad and mom would have simply been horrified. It will have been terrible. And so when she thought she was pregnant, she went into absolute terror, and stress, and anxiousness, and ultimately, organized privately to have a termination they by no means knew about and carried all of the guilt about that. And now, 15 years later, she’s 30-something, she’s received a beautiful husband from the identical Arabic like her, dad and mom adore him, adore her, lengthy must be grandparents, however she will be able to’t get pregnant due to this reminiscence.
So, the very first thing we do is return, individuals don’t all the time know in regards to the second, we return to why? Let’s discover out why you may’t conceive, up comes this reminiscence. And when she describes it, she’s crying, her lip’s trembling. She’s actually feeling the phobia, the disgrace, the anxiousness, the stress, the concern, the uncertainty, after which extra disgrace after she has this termination, the concern that after they discover out, they’ll disown her as a result of she’s not this good little lady that they assume she is. And now, we go to fifteen years later the place she’s received a beautiful husband and her dad and mom shall be operating up and down the ward elated after they know she’s having a child. It will likely be their much-wanted grandson or grandchild.
So, to separate it, I make my consumer say, “That’s not me. That lady of 15 who’s crying and going as much as London to have a secret termination and has received secret papers, that’s not me. If I say to my dad and mom, ‘Oh, I’m pregnant,’ they are going to be crying with happiness, it’s all they need.” So it’s the flexibility simply separate then from now. Sure, when that was me, I used to be 15 and I did some foolish issues however I had solely been on the planet for 15 years. I didn’t know then what I do know now. I used to be appearing with a life expertise of a 15-year-old, very completely different to a 32-year-old. It’s not me. So, you must have a look at the scene then and the scene now and see the distinction as a result of most individuals have a look at the scene and so they see the comparability. You see, I wasn’t liked after I was 2 and right here I’m, I’m 32 and I nonetheless can’t discover love. Each man I meet dumps me. Every thing goes incorrect.
So, lots of people have a look at the way it’s the identical. I used to be silly at college, I nonetheless really feel silly. I felt ugly at college, I nonetheless really feel ugly. I wasn’t the neatest child and now I’m scared to ask for one thing as a result of I don’t really feel good. And it’s essential to not have a look at what’s the similar however to take a look at what’s the distinction as a result of that’s one other rule of your thoughts, no matter you search for, you’ll find. So, they need to undergo this primary factor, that isn’t me as a result of, and that may’t be me as a result of, and that may by no means be me ever once more as a result of…And as soon as they’ve been capable of actually establish what’s completely different slightly than what’s the similar, they’re able to go on to the ultimate step, which is convincing the thoughts that in her case, she’s able to have a child, that she’s gonna be a tremendous mom, that every thing is ideal. And she or he couldn’t have been a tremendous mom at 15 however she will be a tremendous mom at this time. So, it’s taking a look at what’s completely different, making sense of it, after which turning into freed from it. And all of these issues are, form of, equally vital.
Katie: How does an individual begin to go about that? Like, you name it coding, giving a brand new software program. I additionally consider this in relation to the sooner query of programming our children, hopefully, in a great way, and also you’ve given some nice suggestions for that. However as soon as an individual acknowledges the issue and so they know what the ache level is to take away, what does that appear like to rewire or recode the mind and the way lengthy does that course of take?
Marisa: I imply, it may be nearly speedy. The one purpose I name it coding is individuals…you realize, we reside in a…We use the phrase, like, hacks, and you can name it one thing else, like having a conditioning recording. I’ve received a hypnotic conditioning audio to play. However you see, in case your laptop has a bug, you realize that the pc has slowed down. After which once you take it to someplace, they take out the bug, they put in your software program, they improve it actually, after which it really works completely. And slightly like a pc, we get bugs in our considering that sluggish us down, dim our potential, dim our gentle. And identical to the very best software program individual, we simply need to take these bugs out and improve our personal considering.
And so, upgrading your considering actually works like this. It is advisable to have a look at the ideas you assume. For instance, “I don’t really feel adequate. I don’t really feel vital sufficient. I believe I don’t matter.” The place does that come from? No doubt, somewhat little one. Effectively, why did you assume these ideas? Effectively, as a result of my mother mentioned she wished a boy and I used to be the third lady or she didn’t actually wish to have a child or, you realize, my dad left her and it ruined her life. And so, I assumed these beliefs that I didn’t matter however I used to be 4 years outdated, I got here to conclusions after I’d been on the planet for 4 years. And that’s okay as a result of any child at 4 would have thought what I assumed however now I’m 44, it should by no means once more be related or vital, applicable. It wouldn’t even be attention-grabbing to assume what I assumed after I was 4. In order that’s the way you begin to change the software program. You say, “I assumed that after I was 4…”
It’s a bit like if I went to the shop with my mom after I was 4 and I received misplaced within the store, I most likely would have moist my pants and cried. However at 32, I’d sit down and await her to web page me or I’d name her on the cell. , I’ve by no means misplaced my daughter in an airport however I bear in mind being in an airport, humorous sufficient it was in Florida, and I see this little boy within the airplane, and he walked previous me on his personal, and I grabbed his hand and mentioned, “Stick with me.” And about 5 minutes, this mother got here operating across the nook hysterical, and she or he acknowledged, she mentioned “Thanks a lot for holding onto him.” And for her it was terror. However think about 20 years go and she or he’s on the airport with that little boy of two and she or he loses him, she’s not gonna cry or run across the airport hysterical. So she’s gonna web page him or name him or say, “Effectively, I’ll simply go to the gate as a result of he is aware of which airplane we’re getting so I’m positive he’ll make his personal solution to the gate,” which they do.
So, the idea that when you misplaced your mom at 17 and also you cry hysterically, identical to you’ll at 2, is one thing no one would do. And also you simply inform these tales to acknowledge that the way you behave at 2 is known as age-appropriate. It’s the tip of the world when your mother shouts at you or screams at you. And I bear in mind popping out of the shop not way back and I noticed one thing, I actually hate to see this however I’ve seen it somewhat bit, which is a mom pretending to go away her child within the automobile park and drive off with out him. To begin with, it was so harmful as a result of she simply drove away and he was screaming. She knew she was coming again however she was enjoying a sport and he had no concept what the foundations of the sport have been, which is I stand on the pavement and cry, you come again, I get within the automobile, and I promise by no means to do this once more.
However I don’t perceive this sport as a result of I’m solely 2, and it’s not a sport to me, “My mother is leaving me without end as a result of she doesn’t like me as a result of I’m not good.” And so, these are the foundations that we count on youngsters to play and so they don’t perceive the foundations. And so, now, all these years later is that this 2-year-old child who was left within the retailer nonetheless has this perception, “Effectively, my spouse will go away if I’m not good. My associates will go away if I’m not good. I’ve gotta be good on a regular basis as a result of if I’m not good, individuals simply abandon me.”
And in order that’s the distinction that what we really feel after we’re 2, we endure after we’re 32 as a result of we nonetheless don’t fairly perceive the foundations. And that’s why we shouldn’t play video games with different individuals. We ought to be very trustworthy. By no means threaten to go away a relationship until you actually wish to go away. Don’t go, “Effectively, I’ll stroll out when you do this. I’m leaving when you do this. I’m off when you do this.” As a result of it’s so unfair. , I imply, I like my husband, he loves me, we have now points, however I’d by no means, ever say, “In case you do this, I’m off.” As a result of I’ve seen too many individuals do this to their youngsters and certainly, to their companions, when, you realize, they even pack the case and stroll out of the door after they haven’t any intention of leaving them. However the ache they trigger different individuals who don’t perceive the foundations may be very unfair.
Katie: That’s such a transparent approach of explaining it. And particularly with children, I imply, I believe that analogy is ideal and actually, actually vital. And I additionally assume, like, that is one thing I’ve seen in my life, and I’m most likely nonetheless engaged on, is I for a very long time felt like I wanted to, like, do every thing for everybody else on a regular basis and I’d exit of my approach to assist individuals or to get issues for individuals. And I don’t assume that was inherently a nasty factor however I can even acknowledge that it largely got here from that concept that I wasn’t lovable or adequate alone, and in order that I used to be solely valued for what I did for different individuals or my achievements. And so even when the actions themselves have been good, possibly the motivation behind them wasn’t fairly so wholesome.
And I like that quote that, “No matter you search for, you’ll discover.” And I consider that in {our relationships} or any interplay, I heard it defined one time, you realize, when you’ve got the concept you’re not likable, you’re gonna discover proof of that in all your interactions. It may be the best way somebody seems to be at you, whether or not they don’t reply rapidly sufficient, or no matter it might be, when actually, the fact of that may be that they’ve one thing else occurring, or they’re busy, or it has nothing to do with you in any respect. However after we search for that, we’re gonna discover it. And I suppose I, form of, relate that to that we’ve turn out to be what we take into consideration and the query that we ask ourselves.
Like, for example of my very own life, when my inner questions was once like, why can’t I drop extra pounds, why is that this so onerous for me, my mind would reply these questions with the entire methods I couldn’t drop extra pounds and why it was so onerous. And after I shifted my considering and stopped asking these questions and began asking higher questions, it grew to become a lot simpler to do this. Is that, form of, the identical concept as that is like retraining these patterns and questions internally?
Marisa: Your thoughts will reply any query you give it. So, why can’t I discover something? Effectively, as a result of I’ve received a reminiscence like a sieve. It’s important to ask a unique query. How can I all the time discover the place issues are? So, when you give your thoughts a greater query, what may I do to have the physique I need? What may I do to have the love I need or the household life? What may I do? Your thoughts will go forward and discover one thing actual. In case you say why do my relationships all the time go incorrect, it should simply search for one thing random like, “Effectively, you’re not lovable sufficient.” So that you gotta be very clear with the way you…once more, it’s the pc…you must ask your thoughts very, very particular questions.
In case you’re looking out on Google, you’re asking a query, you realize, as an example, I used to be taking a look at Google yesterday to see which nations are actually shutting out the U.Ok. due to this virus. However I used to be getting solutions from Might as a result of I hadn’t put within the date in December. In order that’s a foolish factor. However once you ask a query on Google, when you don’t put in precisely the date you’re on the lookout for the query, you’ll get the suitable reply, however from three years in the past. And infrequently we do that, “Oh, you realize, I’ve simply realized this text is old-fashioned.” But it surely’s very a lot the identical factor together with your thoughts once you ask it questions. Be sure it understands the query so clearly.
So right here’s a query, I need love. Effectively, okay, you need love however would you like it for an hour? Would you like it for a night? Would you like it for the remainder of your life? You gotta be actually clear, what sort of love would you like? , an evening of ardour or one thing completely different? I need cash. Effectively, how a lot cash would you like and the way do you wish to get that cash? Do you wish to earn it by doing one thing superb that may make you are feeling you’re doing good on the earth, you may earn cash whilst you sleep, or do you wish to get cash by any means vital? So, our thoughts will all the time reply questions, however we have now to watch out to provide it the suitable questions that it will probably reply for us as a result of it is going to be our ally and our greatest pal. And we’re a lot eager to get what we wish after we ask the thoughts in a way more particular approach.
Katie: And you’ve got applications very particular to this. Are you able to discuss somewhat bit about that and the way individuals can discover these and know which one which they need to begin with?
Marisa: Certain. Effectively, we have now lots of applications free. In case you go to marisapeer.com, we have now audios on wealth wiring, love wiring. So we have now audios which can be designed to find after which dismantle your cash blocks or love blocks or well being blocks or success blocks. So there’s loads of these. They’re all utterly free. We don’t ask in your card. You’ll be able to simply take these. So in order for you some free stuff that can assist you be the very best you will be, go to marisapeer.com. If you wish to discover ways to do RTT, it’s a tremendous remedy. It truly is taking the world by storm. It’s gained so many awards. And also you don’t need to have any background in remedy to coach with us. If you wish to know how one can do what I do, go to rtt.com. Certainly, you’ll find there how one can work with somebody like me in your space as a result of we prepare individuals everywhere in the world.
And if you wish to simply actually work on becoming a member of the “I’m Sufficient” motion, understanding how one can put that in your life, we have now fridge magnets, little bracelets, and every kind of issues that we give away over on iamenough.com. So iamenough.com, marisapeer.com, rtt.com, take your decide. However do be a part of the “I’m Sufficient” motion, even when it simply means that you’re writing in your fridge in fridge magnets, saying it once you clear your enamel, writing it in your mirror in liner or marker pen. I actually advocate that small assertion will be completely life-changing and is to so many individuals.
Katie: Yeah, and we’ve included that in our home. We’ve been constructing out what I name a tradition wall in our hallway. And it has lots of our household mottos like, “You have been made to do onerous issues,” and, “Happiness is a alternative and a ability,” and, “Ask onerous questions,” issues like that. And that’s one which we’re including as effectively is, “I’m sufficient,” so the children see it daily. That’s been a enjoyable undertaking to work on collectively as a household. And I’ll be sure I hyperlink to the present notes at wellnessmama.fm to the entire applications that you simply’ve talked about and to all of these web sites so individuals can discover these and continue learning from you.
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One other query I’d like to ask towards the tip of interviews is, apart from your personal, if there’s a e-book or numerous books which have had a profound influence in your life, and if that’s the case what they’re and why?
Marisa: Gosh, so many books. That’s a tough factor to select. Effectively, and truly, I bear in mind after I was a child, I learn “Tess of the d’Urbervilles” by Thomas Hardy. He was my favourite author. And I liked that as a result of he was describing this lady and he mentioned, “, her eyes should not blue or brown and her lips are lopsided and wonky. And her imperfections made her good.” And I like “Jane Eyre” as a result of I liked that quote when she says, “, I’m small and plain however I really feel in love and fervour simply as if I used to be tall and delightful.” And so, I like quotes from books. And Thomas Hardy wrote about this lady and he mentioned, “She was somewhat extra sinned towards than sinning.” And I assumed that was such a wonderful quote.
However my favourite quote, which comes from a medical physician’s e-book is that this, “It’s the sensation that can’t discover its expression in tears and can trigger different organs to weep.” And so I learn his e-book, I used to be at Maudsley Hospital, and that was a man referred to as Henry Maudsley, who was an eminent psychiatrist. And I used to be wanting in his diaries, and there was that quote, and that was most likely the very best e-book I’ve ever learn as a result of he simply nailed that in a single with that tremendous transferring expression. If all of us may know that, as a result of what he’s saying is one thing and I say to individuals, and I say, “Look, you may select to discuss your self nevertheless you want. It’s free. You’ll be able to select to be tremendous destructive.” Like, you’re saying to your youngsters, happiness is a alternative. There’s no terminal you arrive at referred to as happiness. It’s the journey you’re on daily.
So you may select to be destructive or you may select to be blissful however what you may’t select is what you do to your physique once you’re destructive. In case you may look in your physique and see what you do to it once you’re destructive, you’ll cease considering destructive ideas as a result of they’ve to come back out someplace, and so they come out in bronchial asthma, and eczema, and dermatitis, and nervous habits. And so I like books, all books that present those that, you realize, your phrase is every thing. I say to my purchasers, “If I may say abracadabra and also you inform me what you need, I’m gonna do my absolute best to provide you what you need.” After which I found after me saying that phrase for years that abracadabra is Hebrew for “my phrases create,” as I converse, I create. And I didn’t even know that however I’ve been utilizing that phrase for years and years after which I spotted what I used to be saying.
So I like all books which have the magic of phrases and quotes. And even Roald Dahl who you all know as a youngsters’s author mentioned, “The factor that makes you stunning is kindness. In case you’re a form individual, you’ll be stunning, and when you’re not sort, you gained’t be stunning.” And he additionally mentioned, “Solely those that imagine in magic get to see it and expertise it.” And I like that as a result of it’s so true.
Katie: Such stunning quotes. I actually love that one, “The sensation that can’t discover its expression in tears could trigger different organs to weep.” And that speaks to lots of the belongings you talked about on this of how these issues can bodily specific within the physique and jogs my memory additionally of the e-book, “The Physique Retains The Rating” and the way…
Marisa: Oh sure, I like that e-book, “Physique Retains Rating,” and I like additionally “Emotions Buried Alive By no means Die.” And one other nice e-book referred to as “It’s All in Your Head.”
Katie: I’m writing these down. I’m gonna…The 2 you simply really helpful, these are new to me. I can not wait to learn them. However Marisa, like I mentioned at first, I actually respect the work that you simply’re doing. I believe it’s actually profound and useful. And particularly for ladies and many ladies listening, I believe it’s actually gonna be a dramatic, hopefully, assist to them and likewise very useful for me. I like your recommendation on how we may also help our children and hopefully give them a powerful basis with this view of limiting beliefs as doable as they go into maturity. Do you’ve gotten any parting recommendation for the listeners at this time on the very best beginning place for all of this or somebody who’s possibly recognizing that they’ve a few of these limiting beliefs or they’re combating a few of these issues, the very best recommendation for getting began?
Marisa: Effectively, I’ve a quite simple e-book referred to as “I Am Sufficient,” I imply, I believe it prices $10. And when you go to iamenough.com, we give away chapters of it. However despite the fact that I’m selling my very own e-book right here, it’s as a result of I wrote that e-book as a, form of, guide to assist anybody who feels not sufficient. I’ve it in colleges, I’ve it in some prisons really, and lots of dad and mom use it. And so, it talks you thru how one can go from feeling not sufficient to understanding with unshakable certainty that you simply’re sufficient. And so, I’d actually advocate simply that as a result of it’s really easy and it’s so easy. As a result of there’s that factor, once more, it needs to be sophisticated. It actually doesn’t change. It may be straightforward turning into the very best you can ever hope to be.
I imply, I’m happier now than I’ve ever been in my total life. And I solely want I’d recognized after I was going by way of it that it was straightforward, you realize, the breakups and being kicked out of faculty and all of the trauma we undergo after we’re discovering our approach in life. If solely I’d recognized that change is definitely straightforward, it doesn’t need to be painful, or onerous or unhappy, or it doesn’t even need to be a battle, however we’re informed, life is battle, life is tough, life is difficult. And I typically marvel why we inform those that when it doesn’t even need to be true.
Katie: I believe that’s an ideal place to wrap up. However like I mentioned, I’ll guarantee that the entire hyperlinks you talked about are within the present notes at wellnessmama.fm so individuals can proceed to be taught from you. And I’m so grateful in your time at this time and for all of the work that you simply’re doing. Thanks for being right here and for sharing.
Marisa: Effectively, thanks. And I’ve to say, six youngsters, I simply take my hat off. I’m simply attempting to think about how you’ll match that into your life. I envy those that have gotten a number of youngsters. I’m positive you do it fantastically however that’s a tremendous job that you simply’re doing too.
Katie: Oh, thanks. And because of all of you as all the time for listening, for sharing your Most worthy useful resource, your time, with each of us at this time. We’re so grateful that you simply did, and I hope that you’ll be a part of me once more on the following episode of the “Wellness Mama Podcast.”
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